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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Prettiness&#8221; is relative.</title>
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		<title>By: Abdulrehman</title>
		<link>http://www.joedolson.com/articles/2007/11/prettiness-is-relative/comment-page-1/#comment-29799</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdulrehman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I believe and keep in mind when I&#039;m designing is that the whole design is for the interface and the interface should be easy to use. Simple things are easy to use, so I try to keep the design not *too* complicated and yet more simple while keeping the readability and smoothness of the interface in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I believe and keep in mind when I&#8217;m designing is that the whole design is for the interface and the interface should be easy to use. Simple things are easy to use, so I try to keep the design not *too* complicated and yet more simple while keeping the readability and smoothness of the interface in&nbsp;mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Dolson</title>
		<link>http://www.joedolson.com/articles/2007/11/prettiness-is-relative/comment-page-1/#comment-23249</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Dolson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think I&#039;m being altogether black and white, to be honest --- what I&#039;m trying to say (though possibly not succeeding) is that &lt;em&gt;my&lt;/em&gt; concept of attractive isn&#039;t necessarily the same as the client&#039;s, and that my &lt;em&gt;personal&lt;/em&gt; ultimate goal is to provide as attractive a web site as I can while satisfying the needs of the client. Sometimes this means making minor compromises to my design.

Certainly, web development isn&#039;t just about ugliness or prettiness...but this post was. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m being altogether black and white, to be honest&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;- what I&#8217;m trying to say (though possibly not succeeding) is that <em>my</em> concept of attractive isn&#8217;t necessarily the same as the client&#8217;s, and that my <em>personal</em> ultimate goal is to provide as attractive a web site as I can while satisfying the needs of the client. Sometimes this means making minor compromises to my&nbsp;design.</p>
<p>Certainly, web development isn&#8217;t just about ugliness or prettiness&#8230;but this post was. <img src='http://www.joedolson.com/articles/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Naomi</title>
		<link>http://www.joedolson.com/articles/2007/11/prettiness-is-relative/comment-page-1/#comment-23248</link>
		<dc:creator>Naomi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t agree with much of this stated here. It&#039;s not so black or white. I agree that ultimately it&#039;s the client&#039;s decision, but it&#039;s our responsibility as designers to fight for what we think is best for the project. That is why we are professionals and not monkeys. 

It&#039;s not just about ugliness or prettiness either. It&#039;s about the overall experience. Just because someone visits a site and doesn&#039;t notice the design doesn&#039;t mean it doesn&#039;t make a difference in their experience. There are a lot of subtle ways to convey a message and things like changing a color really do make a difference. A client may not understand why changing green to blue would make a difference, but it could mean changing your site from a welcoming one to a cold one. 

Also, it&#039;s true that there are a lot of designers that aren&#039;t considering accessibility factors when they create their designs, but there are also a lot who are putting out crap designs. There&#039;s no reason why a good designer can&#039;t make a design that is beautiful, pleases the client, and is easy to use and pleasing for site visitors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t agree with much of this stated here. It&#8217;s not so black or white. I agree that ultimately it&#8217;s the client&#8217;s decision, but it&#8217;s our responsibility as designers to fight for what we think is best for the project. That is why we are professionals and not&nbsp;monkeys. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just about ugliness or prettiness either. It&#8217;s about the overall experience. Just because someone visits a site and doesn&#8217;t notice the design doesn&#8217;t mean it doesn&#8217;t make a difference in their experience. There are a lot of subtle ways to convey a message and things like changing a color really do make a difference. A client may not understand why changing green to blue would make a difference, but it could mean changing your site from a welcoming one to a cold&nbsp;one. </p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s true that there are a lot of designers that aren&#8217;t considering accessibility factors when they create their designs, but there are also a lot who are putting out crap designs. There&#8217;s no reason why a good designer can&#8217;t make a design that is beautiful, pleases the client, and is easy to use and pleasing for site&nbsp;visitors.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Dolson</title>
		<link>http://www.joedolson.com/articles/2007/11/prettiness-is-relative/comment-page-1/#comment-23247</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Dolson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 21:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Creative license is great; but there&#039;s always the possibility that a client will say &quot;Oh, I don&#039;t really like that. Can you do it in gray?&quot; My reaction might be something along the lines of &quot;Yes, of course I can do it in gray,&quot; while I subvocalize &quot;but it&#039;s going to be very boring.&quot;

Sometimes, a client just wants what they want. What I give my clients is the freedom to have their site the way they want it, within the guidelines I lay down: usable and accessible. 

I don&#039;t have the freedom to completely pick and choose my contracts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Creative license is great; but there&#8217;s always the possibility that a client will say &#8220;Oh, I don&#8217;t really like that. Can you do it in gray?&#8221; My reaction might be something along the lines of &#8220;Yes, of course I can do it in gray,&#8221; while I subvocalize &#8220;but it&#8217;s going to be very&nbsp;boring.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sometimes, a client just wants what they want. What I give my clients is the freedom to have their site the way they want it, within the guidelines I lay down: usable and&nbsp;accessible. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have the freedom to completely pick and choose my&nbsp;contracts&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Cherim</title>
		<link>http://www.joedolson.com/articles/2007/11/prettiness-is-relative/comment-page-1/#comment-23243</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Cherim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 17:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta love creative license. I will often turn down a job in which I&#039;m not going to be given that freedom. What I like from the customer is solid content first and foremost, then an indication of what colors they like, any related graphics they may have that I can work with, and I like them to show me a site or two that they like the general feel of. 

That said, if I do a job with conditions other than what I&#039;ve noted, then I listen to the client&#039;s decoration requirements and do it as they say --- unless what they want is going to make me compromise the site&#039;s quality. If that happens then we have a hear-to-heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta love creative license. I will often turn down a job in which I&#8217;m not going to be given that freedom. What I like from the customer is solid content first and foremost, then an indication of what colors they like, any related graphics they may have that I can work with, and I like them to show me a site or two that they like the general feel&nbsp;of. </p>
<p>That said, if I do a job with conditions other than what I&#8217;ve noted, then I listen to the client&#8217;s decoration requirements and do it as they say&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;- unless what they want is going to make me compromise the site&#8217;s quality. If that happens then we have a&nbsp;hear-to-heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Dolson</title>
		<link>http://www.joedolson.com/articles/2007/11/prettiness-is-relative/comment-page-1/#comment-23242</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Dolson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, you can run into problems when the client has expectations which are completely out of line with your own design aesthetics and aims. That&#039;s one of the reasons I make sure to point prospective clients to my design gallery --- I want to be sure that they&#039;ve seen the style I design in and have a realistic idea of where I&#039;ll be coming from.

Working those basic expectations out with the client are a must before engaging in a contract --- it&#039;s not at all fun to discover that your clients expect you to produce an interactive Flash site when there isn&#039;t a single design in your portfolio which even USES Flash!

Thanks, David!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, you can run into problems when the client has expectations which are completely out of line with your own design aesthetics and aims. That&#8217;s one of the reasons I make sure to point prospective clients to my design gallery&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;- I want to be sure that they&#8217;ve seen the style I design in and have a realistic idea of where I&#8217;ll be coming&nbsp;from.</p>
<p>Working those basic expectations out with the client are a must before engaging in a contract&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;- it&#8217;s not at all fun to discover that your clients expect you to produce an interactive Flash site when there isn&#8217;t a single design in your portfolio which even USES&nbsp;Flash!</p>
<p>Thanks,&nbsp;David!</p>
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		<title>By: David Zemens</title>
		<link>http://www.joedolson.com/articles/2007/11/prettiness-is-relative/comment-page-1/#comment-23241</link>
		<dc:creator>David Zemens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Nonetheless, the rules I will work to avoid are clear: don’t make it horrible, and don’t let it get in the user’s way.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
These are words of wisdom, Joe.  Seriously.  I am still learning how to &quot;not get in the user&#039;s way&quot;, but in terms of the appearance of the site visuals, I could not agree with you more.

My preference is to keep the design simple.  As long as the expectations of the client are met and no user group is &quot;hurt&quot; by the design, then you have a successfull website project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Nonetheless, the rules I will work to avoid are clear: don’t make it horrible, and don’t let it get in the user’s&nbsp;way.</p></blockquote>
<p>These are words of wisdom, Joe.  Seriously.  I am still learning how to &#8220;not get in the user&#8217;s way&#8221;, but in terms of the appearance of the site visuals, I could not agree with you&nbsp;more.</p>
<p>My preference is to keep the design simple.  As long as the expectations of the client are met and no user group is &#8220;hurt&#8221; by the design, then you have a successfull website&nbsp;project.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Dolson</title>
		<link>http://www.joedolson.com/articles/2007/11/prettiness-is-relative/comment-page-1/#comment-23239</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Dolson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep. I think I said that, in fact. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep. I think I said that, in fact. <img src='http://www.joedolson.com/articles/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jermayn Parker</title>
		<link>http://www.joedolson.com/articles/2007/11/prettiness-is-relative/comment-page-1/#comment-23238</link>
		<dc:creator>Jermayn Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 04:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with your points. There is a point were you simply cannot agree with everything a client or user wants...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with your points. There is a point were you simply cannot agree with everything a client or user&nbsp;wants&#8230;</p>
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