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		<title>By: Captcha Sniper</title>
		<link>http://www.joedolson.com/articles/2008/01/a-useful-captcha-from-recaptcha/comment-page-1/#comment-47970</link>
		<dc:creator>Captcha Sniper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 22:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite the fact that this subject matter can be extremely touchy for most folks, my opinion is that there has to be a middle or widespread floor that we all can uncover. I do enjoy that youve added related and intelligent commentary appropriate right here though. Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite the fact that this subject matter can be extremely touchy for most folks, my opinion is that there has to be a middle or widespread floor that we all can uncover. I do enjoy that youve added related and intelligent commentary appropriate right here though. Thank&nbsp;you!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Something</title>
		<link>http://www.joedolson.com/articles/2008/01/a-useful-captcha-from-recaptcha/comment-page-1/#comment-33046</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Something</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m way late in joining this discussion, but oh well. While I like reCAPTCHA overall, I am thoroughly disappointed with how it functions when JavaScript is disabled. I&#039;ve worked very hard to deliver a solid and consistent experience on my site that degrades gracefully for users without JS enabled. Then along comes reCAPTCHA with its &quot;We need to make sure you are a human&quot; and &quot;next time userjavascript [paraphrasing here]&quot;. And the whole &quot;copy this and paste it here and see how it goes&quot; thing is just so very out of line with the overall voice and branding of the site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m way late in joining this discussion, but oh well. While I like reCAPTCHA overall, I am thoroughly disappointed with how it functions when JavaScript is disabled. I&#8217;ve worked very hard to deliver a solid and consistent experience on my site that degrades gracefully for users without JS enabled. Then along comes reCAPTCHA with its &#8220;We need to make sure you are a human&#8221; and &#8220;next time userjavascript [paraphrasing here]&#8221;. And the whole &#8220;copy this and paste it here and see how it goes&#8221; thing is just so very out of line with the overall voice and branding of the&nbsp;site.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Dolson</title>
		<link>http://www.joedolson.com/articles/2008/01/a-useful-captcha-from-recaptcha/comment-page-1/#comment-24014</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Dolson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fact, I&#039;d say that there are a lot of accessibility flaws. It still comes in as one of the more accessible CAPTCHA options out there --- but only by merit of a lot of &lt;em&gt;sucking&lt;/em&gt; elsewhere. 

As to their email protection -- well, it seems like a lot of trouble to go to when there are plenty of perfectly valid other options. The ellipsis as link text -- pretty problematic, accessibility wise. Launching a new window? Well, it&#039;s questionable -- but probably the most reasonable choice given the context. 

However, it seems to me that simply using secure contact forms for all email contacts is really the better choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fact, I&#8217;d say that there are a lot of accessibility flaws. It still comes in as one of the more accessible <abbr title="Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart">CAPTCHA</abbr> options out there&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;- but only by merit of a lot of <em>sucking</em>&nbsp;elsewhere. </p>
<p>As to their email protection&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;well, it seems like a lot of trouble to go to when there are plenty of perfectly valid other options. The ellipsis as link text&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;pretty problematic, accessibility wise. Launching a new window? Well, it&#8217;s questionable&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;but probably the most reasonable choice given the&nbsp;context. </p>
<p>However, it seems to me that simply using secure contact forms for all email contacts is really the better&nbsp;choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Skye</title>
		<link>http://www.joedolson.com/articles/2008/01/a-useful-captcha-from-recaptcha/comment-page-1/#comment-24011</link>
		<dc:creator>Skye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe, if you get a chance, what do you think of the reCaptcha mailhide?  When I tried it out on their site, I had to click on a link in the middle of a word - the text of the link was an ellipsis - and it launched a new window where I had to solve the Captcha.  I didn&#039;t think much of it.  They heavily promote the accessibility of the reCaptcha, but the mailhide implementation seems seriously flawed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, if you get a chance, what do you think of the reCaptcha mailhide?  When I tried it out on their site, I had to click on a link in the middle of a word - the text of the link was an ellipsis - and it launched a new window where I had to solve the Captcha.  I didn&#8217;t think much of it.  They heavily promote the accessibility of the reCaptcha, but the mailhide implementation seems seriously&nbsp;flawed.</p>
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		<title>By: yonatan</title>
		<link>http://www.joedolson.com/articles/2008/01/a-useful-captcha-from-recaptcha/comment-page-1/#comment-23835</link>
		<dc:creator>yonatan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we tested a number of captchas for our sites (check out Traxtuff for instance), and eventually made a small project out of it, to let you play around with different free captcha classes and libraries.
hope it helps find one that will fit your site nicely, you can find it at www.trycaptcha.com
we&#039;re still setting it up but it&#039;s already useful...
personally I really like recaptcha btw,
for the great idea of getting people to perform a constructive action as part of a mundane task :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we tested a number of captchas for our sites (check out Traxtuff for instance), and eventually made a small project out of it, to let you play around with different free captcha classes and libraries.<br />
hope it helps find one that will fit your site nicely, you can find it at <a href="http://www.trycaptcha.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.trycaptcha.com</a><br />
we&#8217;re still setting it up but it&#8217;s already useful&#8230;<br />
personally I really like recaptcha btw,<br />
for the great idea of getting people to perform a constructive action as part of a mundane task <img src='http://www.joedolson.com/articles/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joe Dolson</title>
		<link>http://www.joedolson.com/articles/2008/01/a-useful-captcha-from-recaptcha/comment-page-1/#comment-23833</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Dolson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; work, even using that term in it&#039;s broadest possible sense. Additionally, for either option there are very serious accessibility consequences.

First of all, it wouldn&#039;t work as described simply because of the brute force attack method of many spam bots: if they encounter 50 submit buttons, they&#039;ll submit &#039;em all. Now, this is easy to get around: simply make it so that the submission of any button &lt;em&gt;other&lt;/em&gt; than the active one invalidates the submission.

But you still have the accessibility and usability problems:

With the first choice, you&#039;re seriously disenfranchising users with learning disabilities, dyslexia, or users who aren&#039;t using a browser with a standard display: screen readers, mobile devices, etc. 

In the second choice, you&#039;re again disenfranchising users with learning disabilities, as well as causing problems for users who are color blind. 

And, of course, on a usability front, you&#039;re making the submission process extremely difficult for &lt;em&gt;everybody&lt;/em&gt;. Seriously, do you want a contact form with 40 buttons, each a different size and shape? Aesthetically a lot less than appealing, and damned difficult to take in mentally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would <em>not</em> work, even using that term in it&#8217;s broadest possible sense. Additionally, for either option there are very serious accessibility&nbsp;consequences.</p>
<p>First of all, it wouldn&#8217;t work as described simply because of the brute force attack method of many spam bots: if they encounter 50 submit buttons, they&#8217;ll submit &#8216;em all. Now, this is easy to get around: simply make it so that the submission of any button <em>other</em> than the active one invalidates the&nbsp;submission.</p>
<p>But you still have the accessibility and usability&nbsp;problems:</p>
<p>With the first choice, you&#8217;re seriously disenfranchising users with learning disabilities, dyslexia, or users who aren&#8217;t using a browser with a standard display: screen readers, mobile devices,&nbsp;etc. </p>
<p>In the second choice, you&#8217;re again disenfranchising users with learning disabilities, as well as causing problems for users who are color&nbsp;blind. </p>
<p>And, of course, on a usability front, you&#8217;re making the submission process extremely difficult for <em>everybody</em>. Seriously, do you want a contact form with 40 buttons, each a different size and shape? Aesthetically a lot less than appealing, and damned difficult to take in&nbsp;mentally.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenton</title>
		<link>http://www.joedolson.com/articles/2008/01/a-useful-captcha-from-recaptcha/comment-page-1/#comment-23832</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is the idea: Have six to ten (or even 100) &quot;submit&quot; buttons. Only one works, but it is a  different one each time. Above the buttons you get a message (or a distorted image) saying: &quot;To submit, please press the third button from the left in the second row from the top&quot;. 
Less accessibility but similar: Buttons have different colours or sizes or texts and then the message could  read &quot;press green button&quot; or even &quot;press the smallest green button in the second row from the bottom that does not have an x in its text&quot;.

Would that work</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the idea: Have six to ten (or even 100) &#8220;submit&#8221; buttons. Only one works, but it is a  different one each time. Above the buttons you get a message (or a distorted image) saying: &#8220;To submit, please press the third button from the left in the second row from the top&#8221;.<br />
Less accessibility but similar: Buttons have different colours or sizes or texts and then the message could  read &#8220;press green button&#8221; or even &#8220;press the smallest green button in the second row from the bottom that does not have an x in its&nbsp;text&#8221;.</p>
<p>Would that&nbsp;work</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Dolson</title>
		<link>http://www.joedolson.com/articles/2008/01/a-useful-captcha-from-recaptcha/comment-page-1/#comment-23802</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Dolson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 23:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it&#039;s certainly a seal of approval on the stability of the code --- I&#039;m not sure that Facebook is what I&#039;d consider at the forefront of high quality code, however...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s certainly a seal of approval on the stability of the code&thinsp;&#8212;&thinsp;- I&#8217;m not sure that Facebook is what I&#8217;d consider at the forefront of high quality code,&nbsp;however&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://www.joedolson.com/articles/2008/01/a-useful-captcha-from-recaptcha/comment-page-1/#comment-23801</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last time I checked, Facebook were using reCaptcha during their registration process - and that&#039;s a registration process which handles 250,000 new users everyday. That&#039;s a decent seal of approval for any snippet of code!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last time I checked, Facebook were using reCaptcha during their registration process - and that&#8217;s a registration process which handles 250,000 new users everyday. That&#8217;s a decent seal of approval for any snippet of&nbsp;code!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Dolson</title>
		<link>http://www.joedolson.com/articles/2008/01/a-useful-captcha-from-recaptcha/comment-page-1/#comment-23800</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Dolson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, this is true with the default (scripted) version. Ironically, the backup version (available without Javascript) is not only accessible via keyboard but provides a very clear and noticeable :focus state to assist you with keyboard navigation.

This is certainly one reason that it&#039;s clearly not yet up to scratch. 

Thanks, Gez.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, this is true with the default (scripted) version. Ironically, the backup version (available without Javascript) is not only accessible via keyboard but provides a very clear and noticeable :focus state to assist you with keyboard&nbsp;navigation.</p>
<p>This is certainly one reason that it&#8217;s clearly not yet up to&nbsp;scratch. </p>
<p>Thanks,&nbsp;Gez.</p>
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